What’s A Challenge You Faced Early On?

How do you motivate people to run through a wall, because that’s what I’m asking our swimmers to do. Run through a brick wall, get up, do it again, get up, do it again.

Getting people excited about that is a challenge. I enjoy challenges, though.

Coaching at UNC Wilmington was probably the best first coaching job I could've had, because it's a mid-major, not a Power 5 conference or university, so there were very few athletic scholarships there.

The swimmers there had other priorities, and they weren't bound by scholarships, so motivating them was a real challenge to start with, but it gave me a great foundation.